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 But that is not what happened, Ryan
Author: Jersey Girl 
Date:   04-11-04 14:41

Hi Ryan,

I'm going to identify what I see as inconsistencies in your statments weighed against the Bible account. I hope you are up for a bit of friendly challenge. Here goes.


"You think that if an all-powerful God exists, the option of flooding the earth and then restoring it to it's natural state is as impossible as trying to divide by zero? If you really believe that, you are thinking with too many emotions. Gunnar, it doesn't take a genius to deduce that an all-powerful being can do anything so long as it isn't logically inconsistant. There's nothing inconsistant about destroying something which has been corrupted and then restoring it to it's pre-corrupted state."

Ryan, in your own comments here you yourself place conditions on a god who can do anything when you say "so long as it isn't logically inconsistent". Let's see how that pans out against the Genesis account.

You say "There's nothing inconsistent about destroying something which has been corrupted"

Yes, there is, Ryan. God pronounced his creation "good" then changed his mind and decided to drown it save for one righteous man who after he was saved responded by becoming a pass out drunk.

You say: "and then restoring it to it's pre-corrupted state".

Ryan, to start with, using a man whom God himself reportedly characterized as "righteous" and who later became a pass out drunk isn't returning creation to it's pre-corrupted state. God did NOT return his creation to a pre-corrupted state. If he had, there would be no need for the cross. The very concepts/arguments that you've put forward here are inconsistent in and of themselves.

If God truly intended to return his creation to it's pre-corrupted state, he really messed up when he used "seed" from the corrupted crop to replant it. Or could it be, Ryan, that God NEVER messes up, only the humans who try to explain him do. Like the authors of Genesis for example.

Boy these discussions are easier to deal with when I'm not in the center!


Vicki



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 Re: Evidence  new
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 Re: Evidence  new
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 Re: Evidence  new
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 Re: Evidence  new
damndope 03-18-04 14:03 
 Re: Evidence  new
Craig 03-18-04 16:02 
 Re: Evidence  new
damndope 03-19-04 00:44 
 Re: Evidence  new
rpcman 03-19-04 10:25 
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Ryan 04-01-04 14:28 
 Now you see it; now you don't. Magic! n/t  new
Craig 04-01-04 18:14 
 Not the flood again  new
Jersey Girl 04-01-04 20:18 
 Re: Not the flood again  new
TLC 04-07-04 18:53 
 Re: Not the flood again  new
Jersey Girl 04-09-04 01:44 
 Still relying on "Division-by-Zero Logic, Ryan?  new
Gunnar 04-02-04 02:22 
 The difference  new
Ryan 04-09-04 18:26 
 Re: The difference  new
Louie 04-09-04 23:24 
 Louie, Louie  new
Jersey Girl 04-09-04 23:33 
 Re: Louie, Louie  new
TLC 04-10-04 08:30 
 Evidence for Love  new
JAK 04-10-04 10:45 
 Re: Evidence for Love  new
Ryan 04-11-04 05:14 
 talking of evidence  new
Ryan 04-11-04 05:13 
 Re: talking of evidence  new
Louie 04-12-04 11:44 
 Re: talking of evidence  new
TLC 04-12-04 17:51 
 Nail on the head, TLC  new
Jersey Girl 04-11-04 13:06 
 Re: Louie, Louie  new
Louie 04-12-04 11:15 
 Re: The difference  new
Ryan 04-11-04 05:08 
 I couldn't possibly disagree with you more!  
Gunnar 04-10-04 06:34 
 Re: I couldn't possibly disagree with you more!  new
Ryan 04-11-04 05:06 
 terrorist epistemology  new
Craig 04-11-04 13:23 
 Wow! what a chilling story! n/t  new
Gunnar 04-11-04 17:44 
 Check out "Under the Banner of Heaven"  new
Craig 04-11-04 21:09 
 Out on the limb, as usual  new
Jersey Girl 04-11-04 19:04 
 No, this is spot on  new
Craig 04-11-04 20:15 
 Uh, Craig?  new
Jersey Girl 04-11-04 21:50 
 Re: No, this is spot on...Craig?  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 23:21 
 Craig, this thread is going to get locked at 150  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 23:35 
 Re: terrorist epistemology  new
TLC 04-12-04 18:15 
 I don't think i want to get on your bad side. n/t  new
Craig 04-12-04 19:00 
 huh  new
Ryan 04-12-04 20:18 
 But that is not what happened, Ryan  
Jersey Girl 04-11-04 14:41 
 is the bible only partially true?  new
marg 04-11-04 20:51 
 Re: is the bible only partially true?  new
Ramona 04-12-04 14:15 
 Unquestionable historical facts?  new
TLC 04-12-04 16:47 
 Re: Unquestionable historical facts?  new
Ramona 04-12-04 20:15 
 Ramona, I'm surprised at you!  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 22:57 
 Re: is the bible only partially true?  new
marg 04-12-04 17:06 
 Re: is the bible only partially true?  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 19:44 
 Re: is the bible only partially true?  new
Ramona 04-12-04 20:31 
 Disconnect, marg  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 15:25 
 Re: Disconnect, marg  new
marg 04-12-04 17:10 
 It was good  new
Ryan 04-12-04 20:12 
 Re: I couldn't possibly disagree with you more!  new
Gunnar 04-11-04 17:31 
 sound and valid  new
Ryan 04-12-04 20:27 
 Re: The difference  new
Louie 04-12-04 12:06 
 Re: The difference  new
Ryan 04-12-04 20:23 
 Re: flood, etc.  new
TLC 04-07-04 12:49 
 Shapeshifting Mormonism and Loki the Deceiver  new
Craig 03-19-04 11:12 
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philo 03-19-04 15:26 
 Re: Shapeshifting Mormonism and Loki the Deceiver  new
damndope 03-25-04 23:00 
 Re: Shapeshifting Mormonism and Loki the Deceiver  new
Craig 03-25-04 23:54 
 The limits of continuing revelation  new
rpcman 03-26-04 11:28 
 excellent points n/t  new
Craig 03-26-04 12:12 
 I agree! nt  new
Gunnar 04-10-04 07:01 
 rpcman's review of dopey's heroes  new
Martin 03-26-04 07:01 
 Re: rpcman's review of dopey's heroes  new
damndope 04-01-04 00:07 
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Martin 03-17-04 07:28 
 Re: Evidence  new
Karyn 03-17-04 12:53 
 Re: Evidence  new
damndope 03-17-04 16:51 
 Re: EVIDENCE  
JAK 03-17-04 20:31 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Karyn 03-24-04 16:14 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Fer-de-lance 03-24-04 17:00 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Karyn 03-24-04 19:45 
 The Question of Universe  new
JAK 03-25-04 00:07 
 Re: The Question of Universe  new
Karyn 03-25-04 01:13 
 Re: The Question of Universe  new
JAK 03-26-04 00:21 
 Re: The Question of Universe  new
TLC 04-08-04 16:05 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
RockWalk 03-25-04 22:56 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
Karyn 03-26-04 00:49 
 Thanks for a sincere response!  new
RockWalk 03-27-04 01:23 
 Re: Thanks for a sincere response!  new
Karyn 03-27-04 04:22 
 for with God, all things are possible?  new
TLC 04-08-04 15:04 
 Contradictions  new
JAK 04-08-04 17:16 
 Re: Contradictions  
TLC 04-12-04 17:26 
 Re: Contradictions  new
JAK 04-12-04 22:40 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
TLC 04-08-04 16:59 
 Question for Karyn  new
Gunnar 04-09-04 02:47 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
Martin 03-27-04 12:38 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
RockWalk 03-27-04 23:37 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
Martin 03-29-04 07:33 
 On Dark Energy  new
Karyn 03-29-04 13:00 
 Re: On Dark Energy  new
TLC 04-08-04 15:17 
 I'll get back to this  new
RockWalk 03-29-04 14:41 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Fer-de-lance 03-25-04 00:46 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Karyn 03-25-04 02:56 
 "Space is something. Air has properties."  new
Fer-de-lance 03-26-04 13:35 
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Karyn 03-27-04 04:41 
 Re: On quantum physics and creatio ex nihlo  new
Fer-de-lance 03-27-04 15:37 
 Re: EVIDENCE (Your question??) perhaps  new
JAK 03-24-04 21:53 
 Re: Observations on your answer  new
Karyn 03-25-04 02:42 
 Parts I, II, & III Obserbations on your answer  new
JAK 03-27-04 22:57 
 Karyn - A Brief Addition  new
JAK 03-28-04 00:56 
 Response Part 1 - Evidence for God  new
Karyn 03-28-04 03:04 
 Response Part 2 - Other Questions  new
Karyn 03-29-04 02:06 
 1st Rejoinder  new
JAK 03-31-04 14:00 
 2nd Rejoinder  new
JAK 03-31-04 14:35 
 Re: 2nd Rejoinder  new
Karyn 03-31-04 20:27 
 Tahiti  new
JAK 03-31-04 23:18 
 Re: Tahiti  new
Karyn 04-01-04 13:21 
 have a good trip  new
marg 04-01-04 01:25 
 Re: have a good trip  new
JAK 04-02-04 20:47 
 a question  new
marg 04-03-04 14:02 
 Re: a question  new
JAK 04-03-04 20:04 
 Re: a question  new
marg 04-04-04 16:41 
 Re: a question  new
Jersey Girl 04-04-04 14:28 
 Re: a question  new
marg 04-04-04 17:32 
 Wait a second, marg  new
Jersey Girl 04-04-04 19:26 
 raised to believe  new
marg 04-04-04 19:40 
 Quickie reply  new
Jersey Girl 04-04-04 20:01 
 Re: Quickie reply  new
marg 04-04-04 20:41 
 Re: Quickie reply  new
JAK 04-04-04 23:09 
 Re: Quickie reply  new
marg 04-05-04 00:05 
 Re: Quickie reply  new
JAK 04-05-04 21:01 
 Re: raised to believe  new
JAK 04-04-04 23:42 
 Re: raised to believe  new
marg 04-05-04 00:27 
 Re: raised to believe  new
JAK 04-05-04 21:55 
 Re: raised to believe  new
marg 04-06-04 03:05 
 Rejoinder Response Part 1 - Evidence for God  new
JAK 03-30-04 23:00 
 Re: Response Part 1 - Evidence for God  new
Louie 04-07-04 11:04 
 I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
TLC 04-08-04 14:26 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
marg 04-08-04 15:18 
 One for you  new
TLC 04-08-04 15:34 
 Re: One for you  new
marg 04-08-04 16:00 
 Re: One more  new
TLC 04-08-04 16:11 
 Conclusion --  new
JAK 04-08-04 17:26 
 Re: Conclusion --  new
Bahman 04-08-04 17:49 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
that Christian guy 04-11-04 23:56 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
TLC 04-12-04 07:34 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 19:43 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 22:58 
 On imposition  new
Ramona 04-12-04 13:33 
 Well stated! N/T  new
TLC 04-12-04 16:22 
 Re: On imposition  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 19:47 
 Re: On imposition  new
Ramona 04-12-04 20:40 
 Re: On imposition  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 21:52 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 19:53 
 Modern Evolution  new
Ramona 04-02-04 11:33 
 Another good example of evolution in action.  new
Gunnar 04-10-04 06:54 
 Oh, but Gunnar, don't you know.......  new
TLC 04-10-04 08:42 
 Oh, of course!  new
Gunnar 04-10-04 18:26 
 142 Posts  new
nofaith 04-12-04 20:39 


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