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 Re: EVIDENCE
Author: JAK 
Date:   03-17-04 20:31

Quote:

The only way that God can be "disproven" is through a study of cosmology...NOT of biologic evolution.
Karyn,

You have a profound misunderstanding which I have repeatedly pointed out to you.

It is not anyone’s intent or obligation to establish a negative on this. You continue to fail in recognizing that “God” is the assertion. Hence it is the affirmative claim for which evidence is required.

You attempt to sound rational without being so.

Consider your statement:
Quote:

At some point, even if biologic evolution is true (and there is a lot of evidence for it; to what degree many will disagree), it does not in any way indicate that the universe caused itself. The very notion is absurd.

You wish to appeal to evidence. Why?

You state, “it does not in any way indicate that the universe caused itself.”

Notice your word caused. That is a word of investigation, research, and discovery based on evidence.

Implied in your previous writing and in this, you assert God.

The burden of proof is yours (if you make that assertion). It is not up to someone else to “disprove” your assertion.

The February 2004 issue of Discover (a magazine of science, technology and medicine) has an article on page 34 which addresses two scientific models regarding the universe.

Please find a copy of the magazine and read the article. In the opening of that article the authors recognize that the “observable universe contains 100 billion galaxies, each stuffed with 100 billion stars, stretching out more than 10 billion light years.”

The mother of all telescopes, the Hubble Space Telescope, has given us extraordinary views into the universe and information about that universe. EVIDENCE

Evidence for “God,” is required from those who make the assertion.

JAK
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 Evidence  new
Triking 03-16-04 21:28 
 Re: Evidence  new
Craig 03-17-04 01:16 
 Re: Evidence  new
damndope 03-17-04 13:45 
 Re: Evidence  new
Craig 03-18-04 12:08 
 Re: Evidence  new
damndope 03-18-04 14:03 
 Re: Evidence  new
Craig 03-18-04 16:02 
 Re: Evidence  new
damndope 03-19-04 00:44 
 Re: Evidence  new
rpcman 03-19-04 10:25 
 flood, etc.  new
Ryan 04-01-04 14:28 
 Now you see it; now you don't. Magic! n/t  new
Craig 04-01-04 18:14 
 Not the flood again  new
Jersey Girl 04-01-04 20:18 
 Re: Not the flood again  new
TLC 04-07-04 18:53 
 Re: Not the flood again  new
Jersey Girl 04-09-04 01:44 
 Still relying on "Division-by-Zero Logic, Ryan?  new
Gunnar 04-02-04 02:22 
 The difference  new
Ryan 04-09-04 18:26 
 Re: The difference  new
Louie 04-09-04 23:24 
 Louie, Louie  new
Jersey Girl 04-09-04 23:33 
 Re: Louie, Louie  new
TLC 04-10-04 08:30 
 Evidence for Love  new
JAK 04-10-04 10:45 
 Re: Evidence for Love  new
Ryan 04-11-04 05:14 
 talking of evidence  new
Ryan 04-11-04 05:13 
 Re: talking of evidence  new
Louie 04-12-04 11:44 
 Re: talking of evidence  new
TLC 04-12-04 17:51 
 Nail on the head, TLC  new
Jersey Girl 04-11-04 13:06 
 Re: Louie, Louie  new
Louie 04-12-04 11:15 
 Re: The difference  new
Ryan 04-11-04 05:08 
 I couldn't possibly disagree with you more!  
Gunnar 04-10-04 06:34 
 Re: I couldn't possibly disagree with you more!  new
Ryan 04-11-04 05:06 
 terrorist epistemology  new
Craig 04-11-04 13:23 
 Wow! what a chilling story! n/t  new
Gunnar 04-11-04 17:44 
 Check out "Under the Banner of Heaven"  new
Craig 04-11-04 21:09 
 Out on the limb, as usual  new
Jersey Girl 04-11-04 19:04 
 No, this is spot on  new
Craig 04-11-04 20:15 
 Uh, Craig?  new
Jersey Girl 04-11-04 21:50 
 Re: No, this is spot on...Craig?  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 23:21 
 Craig, this thread is going to get locked at 150  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 23:35 
 Re: terrorist epistemology  new
TLC 04-12-04 18:15 
 I don't think i want to get on your bad side. n/t  new
Craig 04-12-04 19:00 
 huh  new
Ryan 04-12-04 20:18 
 But that is not what happened, Ryan  new
Jersey Girl 04-11-04 14:41 
 is the bible only partially true?  new
marg 04-11-04 20:51 
 Re: is the bible only partially true?  new
Ramona 04-12-04 14:15 
 Unquestionable historical facts?  new
TLC 04-12-04 16:47 
 Re: Unquestionable historical facts?  new
Ramona 04-12-04 20:15 
 Ramona, I'm surprised at you!  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 22:57 
 Re: is the bible only partially true?  new
marg 04-12-04 17:06 
 Re: is the bible only partially true?  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 19:44 
 Re: is the bible only partially true?  new
Ramona 04-12-04 20:31 
 Disconnect, marg  new
Jersey Girl 04-12-04 15:25 
 Re: Disconnect, marg  new
marg 04-12-04 17:10 
 It was good  new
Ryan 04-12-04 20:12 
 Re: I couldn't possibly disagree with you more!  new
Gunnar 04-11-04 17:31 
 sound and valid  new
Ryan 04-12-04 20:27 
 Re: The difference  new
Louie 04-12-04 12:06 
 Re: The difference  new
Ryan 04-12-04 20:23 
 Re: flood, etc.  new
TLC 04-07-04 12:49 
 Shapeshifting Mormonism and Loki the Deceiver  new
Craig 03-19-04 11:12 
 Postmodernism mormonism  new
philo 03-19-04 15:26 
 Re: Shapeshifting Mormonism and Loki the Deceiver  new
damndope 03-25-04 23:00 
 Re: Shapeshifting Mormonism and Loki the Deceiver  new
Craig 03-25-04 23:54 
 The limits of continuing revelation  new
rpcman 03-26-04 11:28 
 excellent points n/t  new
Craig 03-26-04 12:12 
 I agree! nt  new
Gunnar 04-10-04 07:01 
 rpcman's review of dopey's heroes  new
Martin 03-26-04 07:01 
 Re: rpcman's review of dopey's heroes  new
damndope 04-01-04 00:07 
 Here's the evidence  new
Martin 03-17-04 07:28 
 Re: Evidence  new
Karyn 03-17-04 12:53 
 Re: Evidence  new
damndope 03-17-04 16:51 
 Re: EVIDENCE  
JAK 03-17-04 20:31 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Karyn 03-24-04 16:14 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Fer-de-lance 03-24-04 17:00 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Karyn 03-24-04 19:45 
 The Question of Universe  new
JAK 03-25-04 00:07 
 Re: The Question of Universe  new
Karyn 03-25-04 01:13 
 Re: The Question of Universe  new
JAK 03-26-04 00:21 
 Re: The Question of Universe  new
TLC 04-08-04 16:05 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
RockWalk 03-25-04 22:56 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
Karyn 03-26-04 00:49 
 Thanks for a sincere response!  new
RockWalk 03-27-04 01:23 
 Re: Thanks for a sincere response!  new
Karyn 03-27-04 04:22 
 for with God, all things are possible?  new
TLC 04-08-04 15:04 
 Contradictions  new
JAK 04-08-04 17:16 
 Re: Contradictions  new
TLC 04-12-04 17:26 
 Re: Contradictions  new
JAK 04-12-04 22:40 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
TLC 04-08-04 16:59 
 Question for Karyn  new
Gunnar 04-09-04 02:47 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
Martin 03-27-04 12:38 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
RockWalk 03-27-04 23:37 
 Re: The Question of Universe or just endless space  new
Martin 03-29-04 07:33 
 On Dark Energy  new
Karyn 03-29-04 13:00 
 Re: On Dark Energy  new
TLC 04-08-04 15:17 
 I'll get back to this  new
RockWalk 03-29-04 14:41 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Fer-de-lance 03-25-04 00:46 
 Re: EVIDENCE  new
Karyn 03-25-04 02:56 
 "Space is something. Air has properties."  new
Fer-de-lance 03-26-04 13:35 
 On quantum physics and creatio ex nihlo  new
Karyn 03-27-04 04:41 
 Re: On quantum physics and creatio ex nihlo  new
Fer-de-lance 03-27-04 15:37 
 Re: EVIDENCE (Your question??) perhaps  new
JAK 03-24-04 21:53 
 Re: Observations on your answer  new
Karyn 03-25-04 02:42 
 Parts I, II, & III Obserbations on your answer  new
JAK 03-27-04 22:57 
 Karyn - A Brief Addition  new
JAK 03-28-04 00:56 
 Response Part 1 - Evidence for God  new
Karyn 03-28-04 03:04 
 Response Part 2 - Other Questions  new
Karyn 03-29-04 02:06 
 1st Rejoinder  new
JAK 03-31-04 14:00 
 2nd Rejoinder  new
JAK 03-31-04 14:35 
 Re: 2nd Rejoinder  new
Karyn 03-31-04 20:27 
 Tahiti  new
JAK 03-31-04 23:18 
 Re: Tahiti  new
Karyn 04-01-04 13:21 
 have a good trip  new
marg 04-01-04 01:25 
 Re: have a good trip  new
JAK 04-02-04 20:47 
 a question  new
marg 04-03-04 14:02 
 Re: a question  new
JAK 04-03-04 20:04 
 Re: a question  new
marg 04-04-04 16:41 
 Re: a question  new
Jersey Girl 04-04-04 14:28 
 Re: a question  new
marg 04-04-04 17:32 
 Wait a second, marg  new
Jersey Girl 04-04-04 19:26 
 raised to believe  new
marg 04-04-04 19:40 
 Quickie reply  new
Jersey Girl 04-04-04 20:01 
 Re: Quickie reply  new
marg 04-04-04 20:41 
 Re: Quickie reply  new
JAK 04-04-04 23:09 
 Re: Quickie reply  new
marg 04-05-04 00:05 
 Re: Quickie reply  new
JAK 04-05-04 21:01 
 Re: raised to believe  new
JAK 04-04-04 23:42 
 Re: raised to believe  new
marg 04-05-04 00:27 
 Re: raised to believe  new
JAK 04-05-04 21:55 
 Re: raised to believe  new
marg 04-06-04 03:05 
 Rejoinder Response Part 1 - Evidence for God  new
JAK 03-30-04 23:00 
 Re: Response Part 1 - Evidence for God  new
Louie 04-07-04 11:04 
 I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
TLC 04-08-04 14:26 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
marg 04-08-04 15:18 
 One for you  new
TLC 04-08-04 15:34 
 Re: One for you  new
marg 04-08-04 16:00 
 Re: One more  new
TLC 04-08-04 16:11 
 Conclusion --  new
JAK 04-08-04 17:26 
 Re: Conclusion --  new
Bahman 04-08-04 17:49 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
that Christian guy 04-11-04 23:56 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
TLC 04-12-04 07:34 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 19:43 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 22:58 
 On imposition  new
Ramona 04-12-04 13:33 
 Well stated! N/T  new
TLC 04-12-04 16:22 
 Re: On imposition  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 19:47 
 Re: On imposition  new
Ramona 04-12-04 20:40 
 Re: On imposition  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 21:52 
 Re: I'll tell you what it would take to make me a believer  new
that Christian guy 04-12-04 19:53 
 Modern Evolution  new
Ramona 04-02-04 11:33 
 Another good example of evolution in action.  new
Gunnar 04-10-04 06:54 
 Oh, but Gunnar, don't you know.......  new
TLC 04-10-04 08:42 
 Oh, of course!  new
Gunnar 04-10-04 18:26 
 142 Posts  new
nofaith 04-12-04 20:39 


 This thread is closed 

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