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From today's Salt Lake Tribune: Church to Produce Book on Massacre Saturday, May 18, 2002 By Peggy Fletcher Stack A trio of LDS Church historians is producing what they believe will be the definitive account of the infamous Mountain Meadows Massacre in which 120 men, women and children from Arkansas were murdered by Mormon settlers and their American Indian accomplices as they passed through Utah. Their book, Tragedy at Mountain Meadows, scheduled to be published next year by Oxford University Press, was announced Friday at a packed session of the Mormon History Association in Tucson, Ariz. It will join an array of new interpretations of the 1857 massacre, which took place just outside of present-day Cedar City and is seen by many as the darkest chapter in Latter-day Saint's history. Salt Lake Tribune columnist Will Bagley's long-anticipated volume, Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows, will be published in the fall by University of Oklahoma Press; investigative reporter Sally Denton's book, tentatively titled American Massacre, is to be issued by Knopf; and Judith Freeman's novel Red Water, was recently issued by Pantheon. But the first quasi-official Mormon account has decided advantages over its competitors -- namely, access to documents in LDS Church archives off-limits to other scholars. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the "best historical resources for writing about the massacre," Richard Turley Jr., managing director of the church's family and history departments, said Friday. After the book is published, the LDS Church plans to "open new sources we have discovered for public use," said Turley, one of the book's authors. Those sources include government documents, emigrant diaries, newspaper reports, affidavits of men who participated in the massacre and the field notes of Assistant Church Historian Andrew Jenson, who 40 years after the event tried to preserve as much of the historical record as he could. Turley also said other documents and collections will be made available to researchers on computer disks later this year. "There was a clear signal that the church archives will welcome scholars and make its resources more available," said Jan Shipps, one of the foremost non-LDS scholars of Mormonism. "We may have arrived at another point in Mormon history when openness will be the order of the day." Even Turley's participation was noteworthy, Shipps said. "This is the first time in years that a member of the historical department staff was involved in the Mormon History Association," which is not sponsored by the church. After researching the massacre separately for years, Turley joined forces with Glen Leonard, director of the LDS Museum of Church History and Art, and Ronald Walker, professor of history at Brigham Young University. Though full-time LDS Church employees, the three believe they can be candid and impartial, Turley said in a phone interview. "If women can write women's history and Jews can write Jewish history, then we should be able to write fair, accurate Mormon history," he said. "We are not concerned about protecting the church's image. The events are far enough away, it's time to let the chips fall where they may." Walker added: "We are not interested in simply a church statement, but in truth-telling. If we are honest and courageous in the book, others will see that. If not, we deserve to be whacked in the head." The announcement caused a stir at the Mormon history meetings, which end Sunday. "I was impressed by their candor and desire for full disclosure," said Curt Bench of Benchmark Books in Salt Lake City. "I welcome any effort by the church to try to put this episode in perspective. We haven't really had a lot from official sources." But some attendees questioned the authors' ability to be unbiased. Bagley argues in The Blood of the Prophets that Brigham Young was directly responsible for the attack. He sees the book by the church-employed scholars as "another attempt to clear the skirts of Brigham Young." Walker and the others say their book will not settle the question of Young's involvement. "The charge that Brigham Young ordered the massacre remains the canard that it always has been," he said. The responsibility of John D. Lee, the only man ever executed for his part in the massacre, grew as they pursued their research, he said, adding that Lee was a complex character. Lee "deceived others by first deceiving himself. He had kaleidoscopic and extreme drives, the result perhaps of the horrid abuse he had experienced in his childhood," Walker said. He also had "larger-than-life generosity, piety and even religious force." Their research confirmed many elements of the church's long-standing explanation of what triggered the massacre -- U.S. troops sent to quell the Mormon rebellion in Utah, Mormon leaders' inflammatory sermons urging the people to defend themselves, a pervasive sense of persecution among southern Utah Saints and antagonistic behavior by members of the wagon train. "We approached this with an open mind and I frankly was surprised that several elements of the traditional story were born out," Walker said. "But the story is more nuanced, more complex and detailed than we have had before." While the Mormon historians believe the massacre was made possible "by cascading events in a setting of extreme excitement and fear," Walker said, "the tinderbox need not have been lit." The acts of the militia and LDS Church leaders of Iron County "demand the strongest condemnation," he said. "Circumstance may explain their acts; nothing can justify them." _____________________________ From today's Deseret News: New facts on guilt in Mountain Meadows Massacre By Carrie A. Moore
New evidence uncovered by scholars researching the Mountain Meadows Massacre shows that regional leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in southern Utah had greater culpability in the event than previously acknowledged by most LDS authors. In a strikingly candid presentation of the events surrounding the massacre, three LDS Church employees told participants at the annual meeting of the Mormon History Association on Friday that "a willingness to face the facts" is vital to "true reconciliation." Richard Turley, managing director of the Family and Church History Department, said the murder of 120 men, women and children by militiamen and Paiute Indians on Sept. 11, 1857, in southwestern Utah, has long been viewed by historians as "the darkest chapter in Latter-day Saint history." The Arkansas emigrants were following the Old Spanish Trail when they were attacked in Mountain Meadows, north of St. George. In the intervening years, "misleading allusions and accusations, personal agendas and popular opinions have clouded the truth. Due to an environment of mistrust, some documents of importance were sequestered by institutions or individuals and kept from researchers." In the "spirit of frankness and healing," Turley has teamed with Glen Leonard, director of the Museum of Church History and Art, and Ronald Walker, a professor of history at the Joseph Fielding Smith Institute for LDS History at Brigham Young University, to produce a book -- "Tragedy at Mountain Meadows" -- he said will deal with previously unpublished materials relating to the events. All three addressed the gathering at the Doubletree Hotel in Tucson. "Open, candid evaluation of that tragedy can produce catharsis, a cleansing spiritual renewal and healing," Turley said, adding the authors will "present the evidence as we find it -- honestly, openly and candidly." Once the book is published next year by Oxford University Press, the group plans to "open new sources we have discovered for public use." Walker said though the authors "believe that the massacre was made possible by cascading events in a setting of extreme excitement and fear, the tinderbox need not have been lit." Even as members of the Baker-Fancher party of immigrants were under attack, "Utahns elsewhere in the territory acted to preserve the lives of other troublesome immigrants." "Unfortunately, the militia and church leaders of Iron County made different decisions, and their acts demand the strongest condemnation," he said. "Circumstance may explain their acts; nothing can justify them." Turley told the Deseret News that while the team has found additional evidence of church leaders' culpability, the details won't be made available before publication. "We will elaborate in the book. We're trying not to lift the curtain too high," not only to create interest in the book itself, but "we still have research ahead of us. All the findings are tentative until we've rolled over the last rock." The role of John D. Lee, a church leader who eventually was executed for his role in the murders, "grew in our minds as our research went forward," Walker said, noting Lee was "a man of action, but far too certain of himself." "He deceived others by first deceiving himself. He had kaleidoscopic and extreme drives, the result perhaps of the horrid abuse he had experienced in childhood. By his own admission, sex for him was an almost uncontrollable torrent. Yet, notwithstanding these flaws and perhaps in part because of them, there were offsetting virtues, too," including "generosity, piety and even religious force." Though he had chances to escape his execution, "he made no attempt to do so. Lee had enough humanity for all of us." Leonard acknowledged the difficulty of putting all questions surrounding the event to rest. Such attempts are "met with a scarcity of clear evidence, and an overabundance of shaded innuendo, selective reminiscence and partisan rhetoric." Regardless of the challenges, "the questions must be asked and answered." They include how Latter-day Saints in southern Utah were "impacted in their feelings and actions by George A. Smith's preaching and (church president) Brigham Young's strong rhetoric and aggressive military strategy." The scholars said they have church support in their research, including the help of research specialists in the LDS Church Archives and elsewhere. Turley said in part because of their access to the archives, which are open only to researchers approved by officials there, the trio is "uniquely situated to examine the available evidence" to publish a work that will piece together "a little kernel here and there" of information gained from perusing documents not solely devoted to the massacre. In an interview, Turley said LDS Church leaders have allowed him and the others to work on the project as they are able, in addition to their other responsibilities. It was his idea to write the book, he said, and was not instigated by church leaders. Turley said after more than a decade of research on his own, he went to Leonard a couple of years ago, then Walker expressed interest in the project last year. After discussions, they decided to tri-author the book. He compared the effort to the scholarly pursuits of university professors who research and publish as part of their other responsibilities. In that scenario, the employer "doesn't direct the output," and this project will be the same, he said. As for editorial oversight by church leaders, Turley said the work is "not a church commission" but something "they are willing to have done." The final text will be submitted to "a number of leaders both within and outside the church," he said, and "we'll receive back whatever comments they give to us as we would with any other peer review project." Asked about the direction LDS historians have received in recent years from top church officials to write history that is "faith promoting," Turley said the "proof will be in the pudding. People will read the book and assess the evidence." LDS Church officials, including President Gordon B. Hinckley, have worked with state and local authorities and historians in recent years to assuage lingering animosity and memorialize the victims. The church erected a monument overlooking the site of the massacre in 1999 and held a dedication ceremony to which descendants of those involved were invited. It also reburied bones of 29 victims unearthed during construction of the monument in a separate ceremony. "All who knew firsthand about what occurred here are long since gone. Let the book of the past be closed. Let peace come into our hearts," President Hinckley told participants. Yet haggling over artifacts found at the site has kept the episode alive in public discussion. The massacre has been written about countless times by a variety of authors with a wide spectrum of viewpoints - many of them critical of church leaders - and has been the subject of renewed interest by scholars in the past decade. Several major works addressing it either have been announced or published recently, including one by Will Bagley of the Salt Lake Tribune, another by investigative reporter Sally Denton and a novel by Judith Freeman. Asked if the timing of the book has anything to do with those or other accounts, Turley acknowledged the recent interest in the topic and said his book has its genesis "over a decade or so." _____________________________
I hope that Jan Shipps is right, that we are about to see a new era of openness with the LDS archives. But I have my doubts. It certainly seems credible that Walker and Turley would have been researching the massacre independently for years, but the timing of the announcement invites a glance in Bagley's direction. It may well be a case of admitting a lesser crime (complicity of local leadership) to deflect suspicion of a larger one (complicity of Brigham Young). I await all the forthcoming titles eagerly. Modified by Alf Omega at Sun, May 19, 2002, 06:55:42 |
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Re: Mountain Meadows Massacre Re: Mountain Meadows Massacre -- Alf Omega Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Lynn ®
05/19/2002, 12:46:40
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Had these early Mormon's truly Came to Jesus, they would have 'listened to his voice' and would have shown love, patience, forebearance, perseverance, longsuffering, kindness and all the 'fruitages of God's spirit.
Unfortunatley, they were not listening to Christ Jesus' voice, but listening to another's who must not have known Christ's teachings.
Lynn
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Posted by: someone ®
05/19/2002, 12:54:52
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God, your insightful, arn't you?
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Jesus' voice Re: Re: Mountain Meadows Massacre -- Lynn Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Alf Omega ®
05/19/2002, 13:01:06
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Undoubtedly they were familiar with this beauty: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
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Actually... Re: Jesus' voice -- Alf Omega Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rpcman ®
05/19/2002, 23:25:11
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...the lesson in church the week before was on Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
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Elder Lee Re: Mountain Meadows Massacre -- Alf Omega Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Gunnar ®
05/20/2002, 08:16:42
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One of the missionary companions I had while on my mission for the church in Denmark, an Elder Lee, was a direct descendant of John D. Lee. He was very sensitive about the issue of the Mountain Meadow Massacre and defensive about his ancestor. I never took the time to research the validity of his claim, but Elder Lee claimed that John D. was posthumously vindicated based on evidence that later became available that supposedly showed that he was not directly responsible and actually tried to prevent the massacre.
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Posted by: Roger ®
05/20/2002, 10:13:39
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I believe that one of the later editions of Juanita Brooks' biography on John D. Lee indidcated that in a posthumous fashion his status was restored in Chruch records--I don't have the book so it may just be another Mormon urban legend.
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Posted by: shooter ®
05/23/2002, 12:18:11
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First, you edit the articles, post summaries or links, not the entire article. Putting up a whole article without permission of the copyright holder puts this site in the position of getting shut down for federal copyright violations. You can post parts for comment, not the whole thing.
Second, this was one of the dirtiest deeds ever done by man. Promising safe passage & then murdering the bunch & stealing the young children. This will forever be a black mark on all LDS members no matter what comes out or the whitewashing that is done in the name of "Truth".
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Posted by: Alf Omega ®
05/26/2002, 08:48:56
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Yes, those were copyrighted articles, and I exceeded my authority by posting them in their entirety. I can't say I'm losing much sleep over it, particularly since the newspapers they appeared in are willing to email them free to anybody. But as a gesture of good will, I include edited versions of the articles below. Here is a summary of the changes: LDS - Disney
Church - Corporation
Mormon - Mickey Mouse
Saint or Latter-day Saint - Mouseketeer
Utah - California
Salt Lake or Salt Lake City - Hollywood
leader - executive
president - CEOFrom the Hollywood Tribune:
Corporation to Produce Book on Massacre
Saturday, May 18, 2002
By Peggy Fletcher Stack
A trio of Disney Corporation historians is producing what they believe will be the definitive account of the infamous Mountain Meadows Massacre in which 120 men, women and children from Arkansas were murdered by Mickey Mouse settlers and their American Indian accomplices as they passed through California.
Their book, Tragedy at Mountain Meadows, scheduled to be published next year by Oxford University Press, was announced Friday at a packed session of the Mickey Mouse History Association in Tucson, Ariz. It will join an array of new interpretations of the 1857 massacre, which took place just outside of present-day Cedar City and is seen by many as the darkest chapter in Mouseketeer's history.
Hollywood Tribune columnist Will Bagley's long-anticipated volume, Blood of the Prophets: Michael Eisner and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows, will be published in the fall by University of Oklahoma Press; investigative reporter Sally Denton's book, tentatively titled American Massacre, is to be issued by Knopf; and Judith Freeman's novel Red Water, was recently issued by Pantheon.
But the first quasi-official Mickey Mouse account has decided advantages over its competitors -- namely, access to documents in Disney Corporation archives off-limits to other scholars.
The Corporation of Jesus Christ of Mouseketeers has the "best historical resources for writing about the massacre," Richard Turley Jr., managing director of the corporation's family and history departments, said Friday. After the book is published, the Disney Corporation plans to "open new sources we have discovered for public use," said Turley, one of the book's authors.
Those sources include government documents, emigrant diaries, newspaper reports, affidavits of men who participated in the massacre and the field notes of Assistant Corporation Historian Andrew Jenson, who 40 years after the event tried to preserve as much of the historical record as he could.
Turley also said other documents and collections will be made available to researchers on computer disks later this year.
"There was a clear signal that the corporation archives will welcome scholars and make its resources more available," said Jan Shipps, one of the foremost non-Disney scholars of Mickey Mouseism. "We may have arrived at another point in Mickey Mouse history when openness will be the order of the day."
Even Turley's participation was noteworthy, Shipps said. "This is the first time in years that a member of the historical department staff was involved in the Mickey Mouse History Association," which is not sponsored by the corporation.
After researching the massacre separately for years, Turley joined forces with Glen Leonard, director of the Disney Museum of Corporation History and Art, and Ronald Walker, professor of history at Michael Eisner University.
Though full-time Disney Corporation employees, the three believe they can be candid and impartial, Turley said in a phone interview.
"If women can write women's history and Jews can write Jewish history, then we should be able to write fair, accurate Mickey Mouse history," he said. "We are not concerned about protecting the corporation's image. The events are far enough away, it's time to let the chips fall where they may."
Walker added: "We are not interested in simply a corporation statement, but in truth-telling. If we are honest and courageous in the book, others will see that. If not, we deserve to be whacked in the head."
The announcement caused a stir at the Mickey Mouse history meetings, which end Sunday.
"I was impressed by their candor and desire for full disclosure," said Curt Bench of Benchmark Books in Hollywood. "I welcome any effort by the corporation to try to put this episode in perspective. We haven't really had a lot from official sources."
But some attendees questioned the authors' ability to be unbiased.
Bagley argues in The Blood of the Prophets that Michael Eisner was directly responsible for the attack. He sees the book by the corporation-employed scholars as "another attempt to clear the skirts of Michael Eisner."
Walker and the others say their book will not settle the question of Eisner's involvement.
"The charge that Michael Eisner ordered the massacre remains the canard that it always has been," he said.
The responsibility of John D. Lee, the only man ever executed for his part in the massacre, grew as they pursued their research, he said, adding that Lee was a complex character.
Lee "deceived others by first deceiving himself. He had kaleidoscopic and extreme drives, the result perhaps of the horrid abuse he had experienced in his childhood," Walker said. He also had "larger-than-life generosity, piety and even religious force."
Their research confirmed many elements of the corporation's long-standing explanation of what triggered the massacre -- U.S. troops sent to quell the Mickey Mouse rebellion in California, Mickey Mouse executives' inflammatory sermons urging the people to defend themselves, a pervasive sense of persecution among southern California Mouseketeers and antagonistic behavior by members of the wagon train.
"We approached this with an open mind and I frankly was surprised that several elements of the traditional story were born out," Walker said. "But the story is more nuanced, more complex and detailed than we have had before."
While the Mickey Mouse historians believe the massacre was made possible "by cascading events in a setting of extreme excitement and fear," Walker said, "the tinderbox need not have been lit."
The acts of the militia and Disney Corporation executives of Iron County "demand the strongest condemnation," he said. "Circumstance may explain their acts; nothing can justify them."
_____________________________
From the Deseret News:
New facts on guilt in Mountain Meadows Massacre
By Carrie A. Moore
Deseret News religion editorNew evidence uncovered by scholars researching the Mountain Meadows Massacre shows that regional executives of The Corporation of Jesus Christ of Mouseketeers in southern California had greater culpability in the event than previously acknowledged by most Disney authors.
In a strikingly candid presentation of the events surrounding the massacre, three Disney Corporation employees told participants at the annual meeting of the Mickey Mouse History Association on Friday that "a willingness to face the facts" is vital to "true reconciliation."
Richard Turley, managing director of the Family and Corporation History Department, said the murder of 120 men, women and children by militiamen and Paiute Indians on Sept. 11, 1857, in southwestern California, has long been viewed by historians as "the darkest chapter in Mouseketeer history." The Arkansas emigrants were following the Old Spanish Trail when they were attacked in Mountain Meadows, north of St. George.
In the intervening years, "misleading allusions and accusations, personal agendas and popular opinions have clouded the truth. Due to an environment of mistrust, some documents of importance were sequestered by institutions or individuals and kept from researchers."
In the "spirit of frankness and healing," Turley has teamed with Glen Leonard, director of the Museum of Corporation History and Art, and Ronald Walker, a professor of history at the Joseph Fielding Smith Institute for Disney History at Michael Eisner University, to produce a book -- Tragedy at Mountain Meadows -- he said will deal with previously unpublished materials relating to the events. All three addressed the gathering at the Doubletree Hotel in Tucson.
"Open, candid evaluation of that tragedy can produce catharsis, a cleansing spiritual renewal and healing," Turley said, adding the authors will "present the evidence as we find it -- honestly, openly and candidly." Once the book is published next year by Oxford University Press, the group plans to "open new sources we have discovered for public use."
Walker said though the authors "believe that the massacre was made possible by cascading events in a setting of extreme excitement and fear, the tinderbox need not have been lit." Even as members of the Baker-Fancher party of immigrants were under attack, "Californians elsewhere in the territory acted to preserve the lives of other troublesome immigrants."
"Unfortunately, the militia and corporation executives of Iron County made different decisions, and their acts demand the strongest condemnation," he said. "Circumstance may explain their acts; nothing can justify them."
Turley told the Deseret News that while the team has found additional evidence of corporation executives' culpability, the details won't be made available before publication.
"We will elaborate in the book. We're trying not to lift the curtain too high," not only to create interest in the book itself, but "we still have research ahead of us. All the findings are tentative until we've rolled over the last rock."
The role of John D. Lee, a corporation executive who eventually was executed for his role in the murders, "grew in our minds as our research went forward," Walker said, noting Lee was "a man of action, but far too certain of himself."
"He deceived others by first deceiving himself. He had kaleidoscopic and extreme drives, the result perhaps of the horrid abuse he had experienced in childhood. By his own admission, sex for him was an almost uncontrollable torrent. Yet, notwithstanding these flaws and perhaps in part because of them, there were offsetting virtues, too," including "generosity, piety and even religious force."
Though he had chances to escape his execution, "he made no attempt to do so. Lee had enough humanity for all of us."
Leonard acknowledged the difficulty of putting all questions surrounding the event to rest. Such attempts are "met with a scarcity of clear evidence, and an overabundance of shaded innuendo, selective reminiscence and partisan rhetoric." Regardless of the challenges, "the questions must be asked and answered."
They include how Mouseketeers in southern California were "impacted in their feelings and actions by George A. Smith's preaching and (corporation CEO) Michael Eisner's strong rhetoric and aggressive military strategy."
The scholars said they have corporation support in their research, including the help of research specialists in the Disney Corporation Archives and elsewhere. Turley said in part because of their access to the archives, which are open only to researchers approved by officials there, the trio is "uniquely situated to examine the available evidence" to publish a work that will piece together "a little kernel here and there" of information gained from perusing documents not solely devoted to the massacre.
In an interview, Turley said Disney Corporation executives have allowed him and the others to work on the project as they are able, in addition to their other responsibilities. It was his idea to write the book, he said, and was not instigated by corporation executives. Turley said after more than a decade of research on his own, he went to Leonard a couple of years ago, then Walker expressed interest in the project last year. After discussions, they decided to tri-author the book.
He compared the effort to the scholarly pursuits of university professors who research and publish as part of their other responsibilities. In that scenario, the employer "doesn't direct the output," and this project will be the same, he said.
As for editorial oversight by corporation executives, Turley said the work is "not a corporation commission" but something "they are willing to have done." The final text will be submitted to "a number of executives both within and outside the corporation," he said, and "we'll receive back whatever comments they give to us as we would with any other peer review project."
Asked about the direction Disney historians have received in recent years from top corporation officials to write history that is "faith promoting," Turley said the "proof will be in the pudding. People will read the book and assess the evidence."
Disney Corporation officials, including CEO Gordon B. Hinckley, have worked with state and local authorities and historians in recent years to assuage lingering animosity and memorialize the victims. The corporation erected a monument overlooking the site of the massacre in 1999 and held a dedication ceremony to which descendants of those involved were invited. It also reburied bones of 29 victims unearthed during construction of the monument in a separate ceremony.
"All who knew firsthand about what occurred here are long since gone. Let the book of the past be closed. Let peace come into our hearts," CEO Hinckley told participants.
Yet haggling over artifacts found at the site has kept the episode alive in public discussion.
The massacre has been written about countless times by a variety of authors with a wide spectrum of viewpoints - many of them critical of corporation executives - and has been the subject of renewed interest by scholars in the past decade. Several major works addressing it either have been announced or published recently, including one by Will Bagley of the Hollywood Tribune, another by investigative reporter Sally Denton and a novel by Judith Freeman.
Asked if the timing of the book has anything to do with those or other accounts, Turley acknowledged the recent interest in the topic and said his book has its genesis "over a decade or so."
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