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Posted by: Douglas... ® 01/09/2002, 10:18:05 Author Profile Mail author |
How do you get to the old forum? I couldn't find a clue on this forum but here is what I found on my own: http://www.1reviews.com/forum/list.php?f=4 http://www.1reviews.com/forum/list.php?f=4
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Zoe & Vines Re: Old forum -- Douglas... Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Douglas... ®
01/09/2002, 10:30:27
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http://www.1reviews.com/forum/read.php?f=4&i=27599&t=25236Zoe wrote: As I understand it, and I invite Vines to correct me if I'm wrong, Vines argues that space and time did not exist prior to the formation of this universe at the Big Bang (BB) which created our universe,
Douglas: Only time. Matter, rather energy (Spirit) have always existed. Matter is created out of or by the Spirit. In the beginning (of time) YHWH gave the word and everything as we know it appeared but in perfect order. Later things began to fall apart when His shinning one AKA Lucifer rebelled in a fit of pride over the exceeding beauty and wisdom YHWH gave her. It has been a process of restoration ever since. The BB as it were was only the expansion or creation of the little bubble we call the universe. The Universe is actually limitless; it has no end or beginning. It is IOW infinite or eternal and therefore time is neither relevant nor germane in any discussion of YHWH. Time is measured only to mortal beings such as we
The Bible says, YHWH "dwells in the thick darkness" which I take as evidence that He His full glory or brightness is concealed from our view (for our own protection) in as it were a black hole or rather in the dense matter that surrounds our little bubble universe. Energy or Matter fills the Universe beyond. There are many such open space bubbles thru-out
Zoe wrote: In addition ,Vines argues that our universe is a closed system, and that, therefore, nothing outside of this universe can effect anything inside of it. Therefore, Vines argues that the omnipotent God of Christianity who dwells in a timeless eternity, without beginning or end, cannot exist, or if said God does exists, cannot effect anything within this universe.
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Douglas: YHWH is able to go anywhere in person or be anywhere and everywhere in Spirit YHWH is Elohim, the Almighty, Divine Providence AKA "God" and is the all in and of all.
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Re: Zoe & Vines Re: Zoe & Vines -- Douglas... Top of thread Archive
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01/09/2002, 11:50:42
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Brother Douglas, Are you saying that mass/energy and space existed "prior"(forgive the time dependant expression) to the creation but time did not? Was the speed of light infinite back "then" or something? Is heaven a singularity?
"Douglas: Only time. Matter, rather energy (Spirit) have always existed. Matter is created out of or by the Spirit. In the beginning (of time) YHWH gave the word and everything as we know it appeared but in perfect order"
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Re: Zoe & Vines Re: Re: Zoe & Vines -- someone Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Douglas A... ®
01/10/2002, 13:02:15
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Are you saying that mass/energy and space existed "prior"(forgive the time dependant expression) to the creation but time did not? Was the speed of light infinite back "then" or something? Is heaven a singularity? I said everything comes from the Spirit (Energy) and that time is neither germane nor relevant in eternity. That might also apply to space as it is endless? I am giving a theological explaination based on Scripture with due consideration given to physics. You may be too hung up on someone elses theory of the universe to grasp what I mean. I am useing simple language as Zoe requested. A child could understand it.
Heaven is the region above the earth as it was originally created. It was 1500 miles high (Rev. 21:16 et seq.) and probably contained seven concentric spheres. This was removed at or before the Flood of Noah.
P.S. I had to re-register because I could not get in to the discussion using my previous user ID and password. I do not know why.
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Re: Zoe & Vines Re: Re: Zoe & Vines -- Douglas A... Top of thread Archive
Posted by: someone ®
01/10/2002, 18:25:06
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your right. perhaps if you would have introduced these ideas to me at age they would have made more sense to me.
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