Posted by: Aaron V. ®
03/06/2003, 01:59:46
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I myself had stopped by during the whole "copyright violation" production, and stayed just for the entertainment value. Taken the board in this new light, and I remained to see how the opera played to conclusion.Anyway, good luck to you.
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Posted by: bosquero ®
03/06/2003, 12:52:01
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TV, you and I had a debate a year ago on free will (I wasn't going by "Bosquero" back then), and as I well recall, your behavior was exactly like Martin's. I don't know where you get off criticizing his. Ever hear of "projection"? --Bosquero
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Posted by: The Vines ®
03/06/2003, 13:27:36
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Well Bosquero, I can only say sorry if what you say is true. If I ever attacked you as a person rather than criticizing your argument then that is my failure, and I apologize.TV
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Posted by: ramona ®
03/06/2003, 15:10:55
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Is that you always have remained a gentleman. I would be more likely to wager that you had critiqued the argument and not the individual.Respectfully yours,
Ramona
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Posted by: bosquero ®
03/08/2003, 23:16:31
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Well I saved that old argument, but I suppose I should let bygones be bygones. Only one problem--determinism means never having to say you're sorry. If the excercise of free will is an illusion, so are notions of guilt and accountability. There can be only victims in the universe--no real victimizers. And victims should not have to apologize for being victimized, especially when there are no victimizers to victimize them--only unfortunate molecular configurations, or as TV would say, very fortunate configurations. --Bosquero
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Posted by: ramona ®
03/09/2003, 06:28:45
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Bosquero,Is my skirt too short today? You seem to be following my posts.:-P I'll change into a burqa speedily. I stand by my statement that T.V. is one of the gentlemen of the forum. He is rare to attack an individual instead of and argument. He has already apologized to you with this: Well Bosquero, I can only say sorry if what you say is true. If I ever attacked you as a person rather than criticizing your argument then that is my failure, and I apologize.
TV I'm not sure what else you want? R P.S. You actually saved an argument? Why, I'm curious.
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Posted by: bosquero ®
03/09/2003, 21:59:55
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Hardly anyone talks about the subjects this forum asks us to stick to except you, but I'll try to avert my gaze in the future. Excuse me. --Bosq
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Posted by: ramona ®
03/10/2003, 12:34:31
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No need to avert your gaze dear. I play around since the subject matter is prone to heaviness. A little levity is not a bad thing. In defense of the slovenly forum heathens, subject matter is atypical as of late. Your fresh eyes, mind, and fingers may help bring a refreshing and much-needed change. Please stay at the playground. Ramona
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Posted by: jersey girl! ®
03/06/2003, 14:40:04
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Tv, Hello. Nice to see you posting again. With regards to your guess--pretty much, yeah. There are more "jerks" than one here. Can we please move on? Vicki
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Posted by: ramona ®
03/06/2003, 15:16:10
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Vicki,Are you talking in front of my back again? ;-P Ramona
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Posted by: ramona ®
03/06/2003, 18:31:51
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My Dear,I was only trying to make jest. In reality we all know that one of us became obviously ill. There is truly no blame here, genetics are genetics. At times illness can take over a person's personality and what appears, is an entirely different character. We all fight and argue, but this was clearly different...over the top. I hope rest and treatment recovers an improved person. Perhaps I am too forgiving for the tastes of some, but I believe the person should be separated from the illness. I've seen glorious shows of humanity as well are horrific bouts of angered display. When at very low points, it was this same person that helped me up. I can't forget that. Do I condone the poor behavior and false accusations? Without question I do not. But I don't have coffee with this person, so my attitude is maybe more lax. Ramona Ramona
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Posted by: jersey girl! ®
03/06/2003, 23:12:18
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Ramona, I thought better of my comment and have deleted it. I am not so sure that this post mortem thread is appropriate but what you have stated is why I can (in mid fray) change sides and defend this one much to the bewilderment of many. Victoria
Modified by jersey girl! at Fri, Mar 07, 2003, 00:20:24
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Posted by: JAK ®
03/06/2003, 20:17:38
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Many who have posted on this forum have had interesting and valuable contribution to make. You are one of those along with others too numerous to name without omitting an important person.Interesting ideas well presented, challenge us and provide benefit for those who have visited this forum. But it can continue to have value, only if people who contribute do so with honesty and intent to hear as well as speak. Its value is dependent upon the best that we have to give not the worst we can hand out. We should expect to disagree. We should also expect civility and respect for views on topics raise up for discussion. At our best, we focus on the information, the ideas, the arguments. At our best, we are considerate and respectful no matter how vigorously we may disagree. When those with much to contribute leave because a few make the forum a place for personal attack, the forum is weakened and damaged by the few who are destructive. The discipline of our words is only as good as we make it. The ethics on this forum are in the hands of those who contribute. If those with significant contributions to make desert the forum under the threat of a few, all the thoughtful kinsmen are the losers. JAK
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Posted by: Gunnar ®
03/08/2003, 14:49:22
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. . .for his brilliance, breadth of knowledge and ability to explain difficult concepts, I still have to agree with you that he is far too quick to take offense, and far too prone to engage in vicious, personal attacks, and even verbal bullying of some of those with whom he disagrees, especially if he perceives (rightly or wrongly) that someone has intentionally insulted him. Even if it is true, as he claims, that others are guilty of the same, it does not excuse him for doing so. I understand his passion for truth and reason, but I do not think that can justify the sometimes extreme discourtesy with which he often treats others whom he deems less reasonable or less well-informed than himself. As one of the most brilliant and capable people to ever grace this forum, he ought to be helping to set the example for the rest of us in terms of uplifting both the rationality and civility of the discussions here, rather than engaging in vicious, personal attacks. At his best, he has actually done that on occasion, and he has also demonstrated, at times, his genuine sensitivity and sympathy for the misfortunes and sorrows of others. One must also admit that he does not hold back in highly praising others for their best contributions here--even some of those whom he has, at other times, viciously attacked. I would personally like to see more of his good side, and much less of his dark side. He may think that I am unfairly singling him out among the offenders, but because I genuinely like him and admire his best qualities, it dismays me all the more to see him behaving in an un-admirable manner.Sincerely; Gunnar
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Posted by: ramona ®
03/08/2003, 15:52:21
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Gunnar, I would wager that even Martin would prefer more of his good side to his dark side. Brilliance does not exclude a person from mental illness. I only hope that he seeks and receives the help and care that he deserves. Ramona
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