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Posted by: james ® 12/06/2002, 09:11:45 Author Profile Mail author |
Have any of you practiced or tried magick spells? Does anyone have a good spell for attracting/fascilitating job hunts? Something that could cause ones resume to float to the top for the right job for you? I talked with a sister of mine for about 2 hours last night about this. I told her having the right skills will probably do it best, but in todays economy it seems that someone needs a little bit more, since there are so many job seekers. She gave me some practices she has tried. Like visualizing a parking space. You relax and then picture in your mind a space coming open in the place you need it, and you pulling into it. We talked about this for some time and we weren't sure if you 'cause' it open up, or if you become more attune to subtle cues, and visualize where the next space will be. She tried this during the day after thanksgiving shopping in a major mall. She got the second space in a row near one of the doors. She actually visualized it one row over, but she took the space as it opened up very near. Also one for helping you get to work on time when you are running late. She said that one works well, as she has once appeared at work only 5 minutes late when she was about 30 minutes late starting off. It consists of thinking positively, reducing anxiety, and visualizing suspending time. I told her it probably works by making you move faster, or finding a better route, something like that. But NOT a violation of normal physical laws. I have once contacted a minor deity for the arts. I suppose I would describe it more as a deep mediation ritual with lamp and incense. I felt a peace when I was finished. To my amazement my technique in painting and weaving increased tremendously. Not just technically, but it was far more pleasing than what I anticipated. I told a friend and he said, "IF it worked at all, it just opened you up to talent you always had. Maybe it released you subconsiously." I just said, "It still worked for me." I think that its a posibility that moving physcial objects has symbolic value that your whole being might understand. Just a thought. I don't know if anyone else has commented on this. Another person said I was seriously wasting time with these rituals, that it was childish. That one should only use old fashioned regular ways of accomplishing ones needs. But what if you aren't a very regular kind of person, that even performs rituals on accident? Yes, I performed a ritual without fully knowing it, until after the fact. It included a 'burnt offering' of a wax staircase. The ritual fascilitated me moving out of a situation which was stagnating. I now live in a neighborhood which has better transportation, lower costs overall, much closer to laudry facilities (used to have to walk 2 miles to do laundry)My landlords are also much, much better people who actually care for me! Modified by james at Fri, Dec 06, 2002, 09:22:13 |
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Do seances count? Re: Magick -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/06/2002, 09:37:20
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Yes! Re: Magick -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/06/2002, 09:39:09
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Woooooo! Re: Yes! -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/06/2002, 09:43:33
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I have a confession to make. When "we" were younger we used to try to raise the dead along with a few beers at a local cemetary late at night. If you drink enough beers you might see something weird, but it won't scare you! LOL!
Prost,
Vicki
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Something weird?!!! Re: Woooooo! -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/07/2002, 02:09:13
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why is "we" in "quotations"? You tried to raise a few beers? That is pretty easy if you drank some! He he he! What was the something weird, your friends doing something when they were drunk? hummmm...what else might be 'weird' but not scary? Did you show each other your navels?
James
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Levitating Corvairs! Re: Something weird?!!! -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/07/2002, 12:19:09
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"We" is in quotations to protect the guilty! I see that I need to clarify here. You might see something weird but if you've raised enough beers it won't scare you! The only weird thing I saw were the "we" I speak of! FYI: Did you know that three boys can pick up a Corvair out of a snow bank and move it to dry ground? Hey! Maybe it levitated! So spooky!
Vicki
p.s. James ponders...what's a Corvair? ;)
Modified by Jersey Girl! at Sat, Dec 07, 2002, 12:25:16
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I dunno, but they're Unsafe at Any Speed Re: Levitating Corvairs! -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Martin ®
12/07/2002, 17:13:05
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Speaking of moving cars, I used to own a cute little MGB Midget convertible and I could pick it up and move it laterally a few inches at at time all by myself (as I was often forced to; British automotive engineering is comparable in quality to their cuisine). Myself and one helper sometimes had to pick up and move my 944 a few times after I'd exceeded the design limits of even German engineering, and moving it wasn't all that difficult. I imagine moving a Corvair was only slightly more difficult than moving a VW Bug.
Not that anyone cares, of course. Dammit, I'm chatting! I will stop immedia
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Forum Police (deputy) you're busted! Re: I dunno, but they're Unsafe at Any Speed -- Martin Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rdl ®
12/07/2002, 19:37:14
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Has anyone ever had the privilege of driving a Citroen? ...truly the ugliest car ever made. The suspension system was hydraulic and upon parking would settle down on it's haunches. When preparing to depart it would raise up (literally) like a camel; rear end first, then front end. It also had at least 6 inches of dense foam lining the entire shell of the car and the front seats reclined so that it became one very comfortable flat (ahem) bed. ....remember drive-in's?
....remarkable car. There were things that broke in that car that would amaze a rocket scientists....I'll bet that chatting didn't even hurt.
rdl
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Put your hands on the hood, "deputy" Re: Forum Police (deputy) you're busted! -- rdl Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/08/2002, 03:51:03
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As an ex-officio member of the board of this board, I must issue a warning that those who are found impersonating a board police officer are in jeopardy of losing their license to post on this internet highway. I suggest that you cease and desist your "chatting" as it will serve only to compound your future sentencing here. My little note pad is filled with rdl chat citations. This does not bode well for your future! Consider this a warning, woman!
For the Board,
Vickip.s. I had a 67 VW Bug, white with black pin striping and spoked wheel covers. When we moved to Germany and shipped it over we were in good shape at the parts store! It was good in the snow, faithfully found its way home from the Gasthauses, the heater worked like crap and we always carried a towel to wipe off the fog INSIDE the windshield! (Do you sense a recurring alcohol theme in my chat posts?)LOL! A little Bier and Schnapps never hurt anyone!
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I may not be deputized... Re: Put your hands on the hood, "deputy" -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rdl ®
12/08/2002, 06:22:20
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Ahhhh...VW "heaters"... VW heaters are excellent for baking apples. This is a good thing because it gives the frozen children in the back something to look forward to and turning the foil wrapped apples gave my mother something to do when she wasn't scraping ice off the inside of the windshield. Keeping my mother distracted was also a good thing because my father swore by his bottle of Underberg (purely for medicinal purposes, of course...helps the digestion...as does Gin) It's possible that you need to have a buzz on in order to truly appreciate driving a VW. (in other words, ya need to be drunk to enjoy it) I learned how on the little puppies. I inherited a spiffy orange KarmanGhia for my first car.
btw. which board would chat posts be relegated to if the 2think forum was once again split?
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Under the hood cuisine Re: I may not be deputized... -- rdl Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/08/2002, 07:26:32
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Weren't you declared queen of the regal clowns or something? This of course, in no way represented an official swearing in ceremony. Only, the Queen can do that. Let me know when you feel prepared for the official right of passage into Queendom, you certainly have earned that honor!
Cooking and cars. When I was a dispatcher the drivers would cook grilled cheese sandwiches and chicken under the hood and come back with a warm meal for lunch! LOL!
I can attest to the worthiness of the VW bug in seeing it's intoxicated driver safely home. You are, perhaps, acquainted with the practice of driving with one eye open to offset double vision resulting from throwing back too many biers and sour fritz's? The first useful phrase I learned in Germany, inspite of highschool classes was: Ein Bier Bitte! That phrase when repeated throughout the course of one night made me the "one eye open" VW driver I became!
Prost!
Victoria
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Ein Pils Bitte Re: Under the hood cuisine -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rdl ®
12/08/2002, 08:17:31
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The Beetles in my youth did seem to find their way home under adverse circumstances...unfortunately I also had to drive them sober and consequently have developed a fine level of loathing for those dreadful little cars. Did you know they were capable of rearranging your spinal cord if driven for long distances? The gas, clutch, and brake pedal were offset from the steering wheel and not quite in line with the driver's seat (I use the term "seat" loosely) just enough to leave you well twisted after an extended journey.
And shall we discuss the Microbus? Another fine automotive achievement. I don't think a sail maker could improve on it's ability to drift across the highway on windy days. If you had the audacity to actually fill it with people you had the option of getting out and running alongside on the up hills. It wasn't going to get there at all with a full load and even empty, the crowd had no problem keeping up. It did lend itself to creative painting though.My vote for "best car ever" still goes to the Citroen. Just finding a mechanic for it was better entertainment then a trip to Disney world and more challanging then launching your own spaceship.
I'll pass on the royalty status for now...too much responsibility.
;-)
rdl
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Ford Econoline Re: Ein Pils Bitte -- rdl Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/08/2002, 13:00:26
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Queen in waiting, sadly, there are no microbuses in my past. There is however a Ford Econoline. Now this particular vehicle lent itself to cozy travel, allowing hippie chick to sit on the console next to hippie boyfriend. There was a curtain separating the two bucket seats from the back. Originally intended to carry cargo, this road worthy vehicle carried many a hippie couple to rock concerts and various flights of fancy.
Now, a word on chat. It occurs to me that more chat is needed on this forum. What's wrong with chat? Nothing. A little chat is good for the soul, makes us appreciate the human behind the screen and often paves the way for common ground discoveries. Having said that, please complete the following musical phrase:
"If you return me, to my home port, I will kiss you_______"
**bonus points for identifying the title, and far out rock group!
Vicki
p.s. The entire point of royalty is boldy assuming "free reign"!
Modified by Jersey Girl! at Sun, Dec 08, 2002, 13:08:51
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could you hum a few bars? Re: Ford Econoline -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rdl ®
12/08/2002, 21:59:46
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I have this theory...
I think the demise of the bench seat was directly responsible for the demise of the Drive-in Movie. (ok, that and the VCR) In fact, does anyone go "parking" anymore? I can remember looking through many a rear window at the indiscernible mass of two people all entwined in the front seat of the car in front of me. (I was never involved in any of that sort of thing, of course) Consoles and bucket seats put an end to that.Now we have Conversion Vans..."Virgin Slayers" is what they're called in this neck of the woods.
I agree with your assessment of the value of "chat" (obviously ;-) It does give us an insight into the humanity of the other posters. That being said, do you think there's any virtue in setting aside a day and time to make use of the "chat" feature available on this board? It's there...why not use it?
...not ready for royalty...
rdl
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I loved my Citroen! Re: Forum Police (deputy) you're busted! -- rdl Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Gunnar ®
12/08/2002, 20:01:38
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Gunnar
BTW, in Spain, a car with chronic mechanical problems is called a "manzana," which means "apple."
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me too! Re: I loved my Citroen! -- Gunnar Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rdl ®
12/08/2002, 22:14:25
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It was a pneudraulic suspension, wasn't it? A combination of hydraulic and pneumatic. Too cool! We once pulled into a Taco stand/biker hangout in New Mexico and got such looks that we just had to make it bob up and down a while for effect. I was told that you could even take off one of the tires (in the event of a flat) and still drive it a short distance. I never had the opportunity to test that, nor do I know if it was true. The model I drove was a sedan (I think...it was hard to tell) and it was one of the weirdest looking cars I've ever seen. To it's credit, it ran like a top during my time with it. I heard the owner sold it because she couldn't find anyone to fix it, but that was after my time.I had one of the first Honda Civics that would qualify as a "manzana".
rdl
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My Honda Civic was a "manzana" too! Re: me too! -- rdl Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Gunnar ®
12/09/2002, 05:01:52
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Re: I dunno, but they're Unsafe at Any Speed Re: I dunno, but they're Unsafe at Any Speed -- Martin Top of thread Archive
Posted by: TLC ®
12/08/2002, 00:10:43
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Our buddy "Ralph" was mostly correct when he condemned the Corvair as "unsafe". As I recall , this was due to that dumb swing type axle design, that would tend to "tuck under" in a hard swerve.
Chevrolet realized their error and in 1965,corrected this anomoly by designing a corvette "parallelogram" style rear suspension into the car, but it's image was already damaged and it was to late.
The last year for the car was 1966, of which I owned one, and it performed rather well as I recall.
Of course in 1967 the new Camaro design was introduced and that pretty much clinched the death nell for the Corvair.WE need more public defenders and watchdogs like Ralph as far as I'm concerned.
Occasional light subjects such as this are a refreshing change to the usual cerebral taxing tirades that we so often engage in on this forum.
Again, always with great respect for your views;
TLC
Modified by TLC at Sun, Dec 08, 2002, 00:13:01
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Re: I dunno, but they're Unsafe at Any Speed Re: Re: I dunno, but they're Unsafe at Any Speed -- TLC Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Martin ®
12/08/2002, 21:07:50
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My 944 is a normally aspirated 1984 model purchased in '85 (or was it early '86?) I've never driven anything quite like it and that I liked driving so much (although it's comparably pretty slow), even though I had an older 911 for a while and had driven quite a number of 911 Carreras and Turbos then and since as well as also a couple of Ferarris (a Boxer and a Testarossa). The normally aspirated 944 has been regarded (correctly, in my opinion) as the "best-steering production car in automotive history".
I always very much disliked the 911's ultra-touchiness and oversteer, which to my way of thinking took away too much of the fun of driving. So when I was planning on buying a brand new Porsche in the early Eighties and I couldn't afford a 928 and was therefore considering a 924, everyone told me to wait instead for the upcoming 944 (and then in '84 I was advised to wait until its bugs were worked out). It was perhaps the best purchase I've ever made.
I'm embarrassed to say that I was one of those people who looked down my nose at the 924 as not being a "true Porsche", but in reality the 924 was not a bad car; it was certainly much better than the 914, and superior in some ways to the 911.
You clearly have done a much better job of caring for your 924 than I have my car. I was never too involved in its appearance (everyone tends to hate Porsche snobs and I have always been quite sympathetic to that outlook), and was instead far more obsessed with just how damn much fun it was to drive! Nothing else I've ever driven has steered so much like a slot car...
Moving on, I agree very much with your assessment of Nader, whom I hold in very high regard for his consumer protection stances. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Ralph is ultimately responsible for the saving of a million or more lives! That puts him right up there with Jonas Salk and others.
All the best,- Martin
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I'm envious Re: Re: I dunno, but they're Unsafe at Any Speed -- Martin Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rdl ®
12/08/2002, 22:34:36
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(everyone tends to hate Porsche snobs and I have always been quite sympathetic to that outlook)
understandable ;-)Everyone tends to hate automotive snobs, period. Try breaking down on the side of the road in a Bimmer. Do NOT expect to garner any sympathy from your fellow travelers...or from the local gas station/garage that you drag your carcass to. (or from any of their knuckle dragging acquaintances (whom they call in for laughs) They're not shy about sticking their heads under the hood and making very unhelpful smart-ass remarks either. And, OH!...the smirks and finger pointing if you are unfortunate enough to end up on the back end of a tow truck...complete humiliation. ;-)
I was told that Mercedes has a policy of roadside assistance to any and all of their models (regardless of age) The theory being that a broken down Benz on the side of the road is bad for their image. ...makes sense.My current car has the ultimate option...better than power, better than responsive steering...better than a stable suspension... better then anything! Heated Seats!
chat rules!
rdl
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I'm camped out on the vision Re: I'm envious -- rdl Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/09/2002, 02:39:57
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Vicki
;)
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Keep the man, I'll take the Porsche. Re: I'm camped out on the vision -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rdl ®
12/09/2002, 02:53:30
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They're unsafe in "PARK"! Re: I dunno, but they're Unsafe at Any Speed -- Martin Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/08/2002, 03:41:51
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The little red corvair I speak of had special powers. We could cram 6-7 Jersey kids into it and go anywhere. Best places for underage beer hoisting in Jersey- the cemetary and local psychiatric hospital. I kid you not! Were we brave fools, or what?
The infamous "lifting" took place one cold winter night in the parking lot of a local mental hospital. Armed with a couple of six-packs of Schafer (affectionately referred to by the locals as something too gross to post here but the two word description begins with "monkey") and Marlboro's we proceeded to do our thing when suddenly a flood light flicked on and a security guard came out after us! The car spinned its wheels and the guys (Jersey boys are entirely fearless and heroic) got out and picked up the car, released it from the snow bank for a clean get away!
Once the car was parked in a grocery store parking lot on a hill, below that was a highway intersection. When we came out of the store the Corvair was gone and apparently had rolled down into the intersection. Perhaps some good Samaritan moved it up onto the "Y" to get it out of traffic! We nonchalantly strolled down into the middle of traffice, onto the "Y" and drove away! Only a Corvair can teach you public grace!
The little red Corvair in question was dangerous only when in "park". It was a demon possessed tool of satan that contributed to many a gathering for underage drinking, juvenile delinquency, and spontaneous make out session! ;)
Chat away, my friend! I see the man I know in your post and like him very much. Thank God for strong men (and Jersey boys) with heart! Prost!
YS
Vicki
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Corvairs Re: Levitating Corvairs! -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/09/2002, 08:03:44
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"p.s. James ponders...what's a Corvair? ;)"
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Re: Corvairs Re: Corvairs -- james Top of thread Archive
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12/09/2002, 09:09:00
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Vicki
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Oh kay Re: Re: Corvairs -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/09/2002, 09:35:37
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But I am not that youthful...37. When I was younger I was really into cars. My brother always made fun of the car, I guess for all the accidents that it had. I always thought it to be a beautiful car. The first one I saw was parked next to my fathers 1972 AMC "Hornet" station wagon. (Another american 'winner' along with the AMC Grimlin, and the Ford Pinto)
I think my father was really jeoulous that his neighbor could afford a sleeker, sexier car. But, I guess the choice for a Hornet was the right choice, with a family. (except for mechanical problems) That was a really weird car. It would always stall with any rain. And when he got that fixed the windshield whippers would go faster or slower depending upon how fast the car was moving.
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Re: Oh yeah! Re: Oh kay -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: rdl ®
12/09/2002, 09:46:09
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For pure POS car, I don't think you can beat the Vega. I never owned one, but that model has reached legendary status.
"And when he got that fixed the windshield whippers would go faster or slower depending upon how fast the car was moving."
...could be considered proof of demonic possession. I've had a few cars that fell into that category (possessed)...a few computers too, come to think of it.
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Re: Oh kay Re: Oh kay -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl! ®
12/09/2002, 10:55:58
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I'm sorry for attaching an age to you. It's just that your "voice" is so youthful. Some people here think I'm much younger than I am as well. Of course it's just because I behave like an immature brat! LOL!
Vicki
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Re: Oh kay Re: Re: Oh kay -- Jersey Girl! Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/10/2002, 05:33:31
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All I ever did was to play with a matchbox car in a store, or chase a grasshoper while walking on a trail. What happened, everyone gets stiff joints, and faces and don't have fun after their 16 birthday?
Another time was because I had my girlfriend wait outside my dorm room while I changed. My roomate said, "We're all adults here" he thought that was extremely backwards, and 'immature'. Kind of like some young woman I met from Hong Kong that spoke in a class at my high school. She was 16 at the time, and had been having sex with grown men since she was 12 years old. She said you can have sex at any age, "You just have to be mature". I have a difficult time with seeing this as 'mature'.
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Looking for a sign, or some proof? Re: Yes! -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/09/2002, 08:12:21
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What would amount to good proof for the skeptic? What would you ask for proof? Wouldn't it be great it if happened to you?
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Re: Magick Re: Magick -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Martin ®
12/06/2002, 09:56:34
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You could try the "Pracktical Magick" trick of employing a clean, pleasant layout; easily readable fonts; removing ALL hype and exaggerations and projecting a pleasing hybrid of confidence and humility; a pleasing hybrid of staid, simple, and also visually distinct stationery; and last, but not least, slightly over-large paper, say 8.7 by 11.2 inches.
It's worked "miracles" for me over the years!
- Martin
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Re: Magick Re: Magick -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Fer-de-lance ®
12/06/2002, 11:22:42
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If financial security is your goal, my suggestion would be to get as far as possible away from the occult. The two, in my opinion, are like water and oil. You'd be better off going back to church or even becoming, gulp, a reborn Christian. In the past couple years I've become acquainted with a number of self-styled "pagans" that strongly believe in Magick and the power of rituals. And honest to God, they actually believe it. They've gone beyond simply wanting to be different or needing to shock more conventional people and actually believe that burning a candle under a waxing moon is going to increase their chances of winning the lottery or bring some other kind of good fortune into their lives. I sat one night and listened to a completely serious conversation regarding a difficult family situation and the details of a complex ritual that was to be performed shortly that would surely resolve it. They actually did succeed in shocking me. Before that time I had no idea they were serious. Interestingly enough, every single one of them, men and women, all have a couple things in common. One of those things is a seemingly inability to make money or even comprehend financial matters. In each case, their unbelieving (read as non-ritual believing Pagan--either christian or atheist) s/o is the financial anchor in the relationship. In the cases where both are ritual-believing pagans, financial problems are their number one issue. I don't pretend to have sure answers on why this is the case, but I don't mind speculating. I think a lack of self-esteem first drives them to be different, to put their energy into something that they feel can't be graded. Then, they get together with like minded types and sort of create their own little counter-culture rooted in despise of normal, successful people. So ironically, they reveal their own need to compare and feel superior(what they claim to despise), and inability to face their problems directly. It's not just the belief in the supernatural, it's a whole broader mentality of those types that really is at odds with financial success among other things. I'm almost sure that "Majick" has never worked to the financial success of anyone, not even it's greatest practitioner of all time, Aliester Crowley. I can't even give this crowd the benefit of the placebo effect like I will sometimes do for Christians.
So, what works? Well, all I can say is what worked for me. Here is a short list:
1. isolated myself from everyone who I had previously enjoyed talking about "life" with (mutual pity sessions).
2. completely quit church, talking on the internet, and reading philosophy. Actually I quit all non-practical intellectual and musical endeavors.
3. started running every day.
4. studied classifieds to get an idea about what was in demand, and found, not something I loved, but that I was sure I wouldn't hate that looked lucrative.
5. Completely focused on doing whatever it would take to do that kind of a job. The first 6 months I did everything nearly wrong and came close to making my life far financially worse then it ever had been, but I didn't loose focus and within a couple years, everything was working out wonderfully. Really interesting time of my life. The only time where I just knew that I couldn't, and wouldn't fail. Granted I might do things a little more extreme then most people. Perhaps most don't need to sacrafice all the things they love for a time, but it worked for me.
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Number#2 Re: Re: Magick -- Fer-de-lance Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/07/2002, 02:24:25
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How strict are you about number#2? You did respond to my posting after all. Some very good comments, and cautions about the occult, rituals and over thinking religion and philosophy. Growing up I was told cautions about the occult, that it was dangerous and evil...the bigger problem might be its a waste of time, money and a distraction from addressing base problems.
Let me guess, did these people also generally have poor social skills, and tend to isolated from most people, other than those that are into the same thing, or those that tolerate them or some how find this appealing? I have read something about this type of person,(could also include me)how they like these sort of 'experiments' as a sort of distraction from the mundane, drugdery that permeates their lives. I think I (and they) would probably find fairly high levels of success and satisfaction in life if I(we) took your advice.
I think this sort of person could get sidtracked on other sorts of speculations which distract. Such as weird diets or other lifestyles which become the consuming focus of everything. It sort of works as a distraction, but doesn't really lead anywere good.
I must admit that I have attended a few meetings with some spiritualists, and I found myself not wanting any further contact of involvement. Everything they seemed to believe was pretty off the wall, corny. The 'church' had a case full of objects which were 'materialized' by the founder. You could buy any of the objects, and then spend another $50 to have it 'activated', I am not sure what this is suppose to mean exactly, but somehow blessed so that it manifests 'phenomena'. The members would ask 'what is the LOVE OFFERING on the ring, cup, et...'. So you weren't really buying it, you were supporting the church and its leader.
In the end of the meeting they pass around the offering plate, and call it 'sharing of consciousness' after all money is consciousness.
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Re: Number#2 Re: Number#2 -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Fer-de-lance ®
12/07/2002, 08:56:26
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I was very strict about it. I didn't use the internet for nearly 2 years. Now that I've got that aspect of my life squared away to my satisfaction, it's a different story.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against thinking about religion and philosophy. I was only against it for a short period of time.
"the bigger problem might be its a waste of time, money and a distraction from addressing base problems."
Exactly. And it's all the worse if you get involved with people who are into it too.
"Let me guess, did these people also generally have poor social skills, and tend to isolated from most people, other than those that are into the same thing, or those that tolerate them or some how find this appealing?"
Yes--just like me, or at least my tendancy is to be that way. In fact, I'm embarrased to say, during one phase I went through, I spent countless hours reading books on astral projection and starring at yellow triangles trying to get a peak at this other world.
"It sort of works as a distraction, but doesn't really lead anywere good."
right.
"In the end of the meeting they pass around the offering plate, and call it 'sharing of consciousness' after all money is consciousness.
You should have taken a few bills off the top and mentioned that sharing works both ways. ; )
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Hooray for Fer-de-Lance! Re: Re: Number#2 -- Fer-de-lance Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Martin ®
12/07/2002, 16:49:22
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I've been pleased and impressed with this dialog, full of thoughtful and sound advice genuinely given and genuinely received. Hats off to the both of you!
I also want to thank you personally for your "confession" of your formerly strong paranormal interests, and I hope it felt a bit cathartic.
I, too, was quite fascinated with the paranormal during an early stage of my life, even going so far as to design and perform my own experiments, mostly with zener cards. And in that regard I have my own confession to make: to satisfy my hunger for success because I believed so strongly in the reality of psi, every once in a while I couldn't resist the temptation to "improve the odds" and "better the story". Or, to put it far more honestly, I would deliberately cheat every so often.
In fact, facing fully up to the disgraceful fact that I had actually CHEATED to get positive results represented a hugely important and life-changing experience, steering me permanently towards a life-long committment to intellectual honesty (not that I've always been equal to the challenge, of course). Before long, that new-found determination led me to reject the Bible as but a more respectable variation on the same theme of inventing claims to meet the deep human need for interesting, pleasing and comforting self-deceptions.
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I know we used to fight a lot in the old days, but I have long since come to respect, admire -- and what's more, genuinely like you rather a lot!
Sincerely,- Martin
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Re: Hooray for Fer-de-Lance! Re: Hooray for Fer-de-Lance! -- Martin Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Fer-de-lance ®
12/08/2002, 18:02:29
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And an interesting story, who would have known. ;)
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Visualization Re: Magick -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Darr ®
12/07/2002, 00:29:25
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I tried something like that a few weeks ago. Unfortunately a telephone pole must have had the same thoughts. The visuals for the repair bill, so far, have not proved to be conducive to relaxing.
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Thats great Re: Visualization -- Darr Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/07/2002, 04:58:01
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Humorous but true Re: Thats great -- james Top of thread Archive
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12/07/2002, 11:00:42
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Re: Magick Re: Magick -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: TLC ®
12/07/2002, 02:38:46
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Defacate in one hand, and wish in the other one.
Which one got full first?
This says it all to me. Just my pragmatic unromantic point of view!
All in fun of course.
TLC
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It works for monkeys! Re: Re: Magick -- TLC Top of thread Archive
Posted by: james ®
12/07/2002, 04:49:12
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This works for monkeys, they defacate in a hand and then throw it!
http://www.geocities.com/kinglazykye3/poop.htmlHow to do it like a real monkey!(How To Throw Poop Like A Monkey)
http://www.flash.net/~honchie/merchan/august/august.htm
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Re: It works for monkeys! Re: It works for monkeys! -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: TLC ®
12/07/2002, 20:47:39
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From some of the latest "poop throwing" posts I have noticed on this forum, there are certain individuals that have already read and studied this art and subsquently have mastered the skill to the Nth degree.
They know who they are, don't they?
TLC
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