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Posted by: james ®
11/14/2002, 12:01:41

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I came accross an interesting website last night. But I forgot to mark the link. A certain author stated his opinion that the "Forbidden Fruit" mentioned in Genesis was actually the heart of the first slaughtered animal. That eating this flesh product is what caused the fall of mankind and brought death into the world.

The author was not only vegetarian, but also fruitarian. I found it pretty strange. I haven't the slightest idea how he came to that idea. Moreover, he thinks that fruit and fruit products are the ideal food for mankind. No mandate to only eat fruit, as its not always available, but that its supposed to be the best food.

I like fruit, and find this idea very interesting. I don;t know if it can withstand scientific examination, or even theological examination. But it is interesting. There is supposed to be various declarations to gods blessing on fruit mentioned in the bible. Any comments from anyone? About this, or any other 'far out' ideas about what this forbidden fruit was, either literally or symbolically?




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Welcome to the food channel
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Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/14/2002, 12:18:56

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James,

I see that you are suffering from food fixation these days, are you eating? Forbidden fruit? Okay, I'll bite. The forbidden fruit in the Bible was from the tree of "knowledge of good and evil". What has this got to do with an animal heart?

Let's go literal...it was real fruit on a real tree. Adam and Eve warned to abstain. They ate...they gained knowledge of good and evil. The world hits the skids.

Let's go figurative. The fruit doesn't exist. The couple are merely challenged to obey God. They disobeyed, the world hits the skids.

Let's go non-religous. The fruit doesn't exist. Adam and Eve didn't exist. God doesn't exist. The world hits the skids anyhow.

Vicki

p.s. you aren't fasting are you? I'm serious.



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Stress, diversion
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Posted by: james ®
11/15/2002, 03:53:08

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Hello Vicki,
A number of very good observations. No, I am not fasting. I do think that I think about food way too often however, I think its my way of diverting my attention away from sources of stress. It sort of works, but really I need to address the source.

Some people clean to divert there attention. Some seek company of others, some seek sex, bungee jump, gamble, drink, some seek to control others, some work themselves to the bone.I worry and obscess about what type of food to eat.




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Re: Stress, diversion
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Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/15/2002, 07:19:31

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James,

What's eating you, sweet? Wanna talk?

Vicki32377@aol.com




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Most people charge for this...
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Posted by: james ®
11/15/2002, 08:07:01

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Most people charge for this...like $60-90/hour, and have a licence. Today I felt like I could have been put in a straight jacket. (maybe a bit exaggerated)But, nothing that a good walk could fix, and some serious internet surfing.



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Re: Most people charge for this...
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Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/15/2002, 11:31:58

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Hi James,

My ear is not licensed nor does it have a pricetag attached. Ramona, the capitalist wench, is selling a pig or something down below if you're in the market! LOL! Have a great weekend and chillax!

Vicki



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Pass the kosher bacon
Re: Welcome to the food channel -- Jersey Girl Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Ramona ®
11/15/2002, 07:02:44

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Dangit Wench,

Why did you have to go and cover all of the bases?

Ramona

P.S. Obsess on creampuffs, filled with a homemade pudding drizzled with chocolate and caramel. You are lacto-ova, or hard-core?




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Unruly Harlot!
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Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/15/2002, 07:21:24

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How DARE you mention pig flesh in this thread! Ewww! And what is your interest in forbidden fruit? As if!

Victoria
;)

p.s. pass over those cream puffs!



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Act now!!! Limited time offer
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Posted by: Ramona ®
11/15/2002, 07:40:11

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You wench of unspeakable talents,

Not just any pig flesh, I offer Kosher pig flesh, blessed by great, talented, and Holy Rebbes. Yours, for a special introductory price of just $19.99 a pound. Today only, I offer 2 pounds, but you must respond immediately.

As for my interest in fruit, it starts off forbidden fruit, next thing you know they are stealing money out of your pockets.

Oh, did I mention I take Visa, MC, and AmEx?

Ramona




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Pedaling your wares, tart?
Re: Act now!!! Limited time offer -- Ramona Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/15/2002, 07:42:46

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How DARE you defile this forum by publicizing your shameless marketable skills!

Victoria
;)



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two bit trollop
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Posted by: Ramona ®
11/15/2002, 07:49:25

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Victoria wench of the West,

Defile the Forum, I dare say, even The Garden of Eden? I am hurt by such an accusation. I simply offered something that would surely bring you joy and completeness. A simple taste will convert you to the pleasures found within the whole of your tastebuds.

My breast does sigh for the aching you did cause,
Ramona




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Laughing is perhaps the best food of all!
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Posted by: james ®
11/15/2002, 07:53:03

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after all "Monsters inc" discovered that the laugh is ten times as strong as the scream!



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yes, Yes, YES!!!
Re: Laughing is perhaps the best food of all! -- james Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Ramona ®
11/15/2002, 07:57:52

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My dear james,

But that would depend upon the situation, would it not? A timely scream would cause pleasure, while a laugh would only bring consternation.

Ah, but I am only a disguised snake in the grass.

Ramona




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yes, Yes, YES!!!
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Posted by: james ®
11/15/2002, 08:09:02

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When you say "yes, Yes, YES!!!" do you swing your hair side to side? kind of like the shampoo ad on tv? Does your significant other say 'no, No, NO!!!"?

!YES!



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Hubby's response
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Posted by: Ramona ®
11/15/2002, 20:19:01

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Have I ever said, "no?" :-)

The wench that I am,
Ramona




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Le Chat Room...Here Kitty, Kitty ;)
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Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/15/2002, 11:41:42

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Ramona, unrepentant Queen of the Deep South!

Why must thee work thy aching bossom into the text of thy posts whenever the chance arises? And what are my tastes to thee, wench? Must thee tarnish this intellectual CHAT ROOM with inane cyber infomercials for what purpose love? Repent, oh capitalist harpie!

Victoria
;)



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Aching loins
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Posted by: Ramona ®
11/15/2002, 20:50:36

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Victoria, Wench of the snow-laden West!!!

Closest to my heaving bosoms lies a heart that aches, leaps, and purrs. Truly you of all, would know and understand. Excuse my err, for I thought we were sisters in our needs and desires.

Chat room?? My cheeks flush, for I did lapse and thought this was a "cat room." "Meow :-) "

My infomercials were merely an attempt at seductress for another forbidden fruit. Icky dead animal flesh. But the serpent was unable to receive the necessary bite into the sweetest of all fruits. Ah, but you were tempted with creampuffs. There is hope indeed for Lucifera, the capitalist kosher piglet.

Ramona





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bosoms?
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Posted by: Jrmh ®
11/15/2002, 23:20:59

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Wait, let me back up a bit. OK now, please turn around slowly. Whoah, stop. Now rotate back again with your front to me. Wait! Now I am really confused.

A few moments go by..... Ramona, I'm starting to get the picture and I think you are the prototype of tomorrow's woman. I'm elated! J




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pork loins
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Posted by: Ramona ®
11/16/2002, 06:35:20

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Hmmm, I'm not sure how I should take that. I have always been accused of being extremely ecclectic, now I'm a prototype for the woman of tomorrow? Great Googly moogly, I feel for the future of our world.

Thank you ;-)

Ramona




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About your heaving bossoms, cream puff
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Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/16/2002, 07:23:35

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Ramona! Shameless pork merchant of Le Chat room!

It is always about your bossoms, tart! Tis aching! Tis heaving! Have thee no shame? Why must thee speak endlessly and so cravenly about thy bossoms, dear? Are thee not content?

Beguiling temptress! Speak no more of cream puffs! Are thee out to see me fall in this public place, begging and pandering after promises (or are they threats?)of creamy delights? Doth thee desire to see me slithering about on my belly shouting give me! Give me! Give me more! Huh?

Immodest orchid! I beseech thee, temper thy tongue or face my wrath! What are the peasants 2think of this? Their ladies fair, engaged in revelries before their public selves? 'Tis folly! We shall lose their servantly affection and adoration then who will lick our boots, love?

Thus spake fair Victoria
;)




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Spiked heels and leather
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Posted by: Ramona ®
11/17/2002, 06:12:22

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My needs will never be sufficiently satisfied, for I always crave more, More, MORE!!

My heart did leap with joy at the temptation you did feel when I made mention of my creampuffs. Oh, they are so sweet and tasty. I picture you now, licking your satisfied lips, hoping for only a remembrance. Yes, you will slither on your belly...serpent.

My dearest rosebud, merrymaking and joy does satisfy our souls. Why deprive yourself, a spirited mare? Would you prefer to serve your days as a morose prude? Ah, dear one, I know much better the stirrings of your heart, than you. I am certain, you then shall have your black leather boots licked until you are fully content, when you free yourself to your private desires.

With affection,

Ramona




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Oh bottomless pit of passionate need!
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Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/17/2002, 08:48:07

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Curious Queen!

Thee so cravenly display thyself a bottomless pit of passionate need in this public place whilst thee know all the while neither mare nor stud, peasant nor royal hath strength or endurance enough to quench thy thirst! Why do thee even try, love?

My boots, and their licking, are not worthy conversation for peasant eyes! Yet, I shall hold out my precious boot a little while longer and linger, should some leather-loving knave desire contentment at my feet! Oh humble peasants, they do love the taste of leather! How it pleases me to feed them! Here, sweet orchid, while no one looks on...partake of a toe!

Thus spake the fair and precious,
Victoria
;)



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If at first you don't succeed, try try again!!
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Posted by: Ramona ®
11/18/2002, 05:29:01

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My dear Rosebud,

How clearly you understand my humor and did cause me to laugh heartier than I have in a great while. Me, partake of your toe? The lashes you will receive for such a comment. The hot wax you shall have dripped upon your supple shoulders. The peasants would not be able to endure the torture that would be yours alone, for such a defiant comment. Oh the pleasure in your screams for mercy. But wench in leather and lace, you know me to be a cruel Master.

Fair you may be, but also well disciplined at my hand.

Ramona - your cruel Mistress




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Submit to thee, shrew?
Re: If at first you don't succeed, try try again!! -- Ramona Top of thread Archive
Posted by: Jersey Girl ®
11/18/2002, 10:01:04

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Ramona dear,

A hearty laugh is good for thy soul! Thou didst remember to unlace thy corset before thy laughter did thee not? I see thou thinkst me a fool! Submit to THEE? Twas six months and six months more that I was subjected to daily baths of fragrant oils, applied by studly knaves, to heal the scars from last we did meet! Ah! Sweet lavendar and roses and willing knaves! Hmmm...How many lashes, love?

Thus spake the fair and awesome,
Victoria
;)




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Vlasics
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Posted by: Ramona ®
11/19/2002, 04:14:38

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My Rose petal with bouquet of sweetness,

I must laugh even heartier than before. I know not if you are a liar or a deniar. It was not my discipline that would cause you such need for knaves, but your wicked and insatiable appetite for kosher dills they do bring. But, this mistress is an understanding one, for I too have a strong weakness for the same.

As for the knaves, ahh the smell of musk does cause my head to spin in ecstasy. But the touch of their bodies do cause my entire being to quiver. Alas, I must admit a fondness for one knave. He is greater than the sum of the rest......


I must end this letter for I find myself daydreaming of this handsome gentleman.

Ramona




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Re: Forbidden Fruit
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Posted by: Jrmh ®
11/14/2002, 23:23:10

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This is a new one on me. I've heard of the Arnold Murray doctrine that the sin of Eve was having relations with Satan, however, that also opens up the question of whether Adam also did. The primary Hebrew root word for fruit is PAW-RAW'(Strongs #6509) meaning bring forth. The specific word for fruit as mentioned in the passages you refer to is PER-EE' (Strongs #6529) meaning real fruit and specifically fig. It can also include the bough.

It think the Jewish community would have a fit if it was told a theory such as this one. The Bible says death came into the world as a RESULT of sin, not the other way. People have been attempting to find fault with the Bible for thousands of years. In one sense this is a futile exercise. In the longer scheme of it however, a lot of these people become believers. Sometimes we have to bang our heads against the wall for years before we realize that it hurts. God bless, J




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Finding fault?
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Posted by: james ®
11/16/2002, 04:57:24

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Hello,
No, I didn't think that the statement about forbidden fruit had anything to do with finding fault. I think people often come away with far out impressions about what they think the pages contain.

The idea that the forbidden fruit is probably as far out there as a lot of other ideas that people promote using the bible. There are those that believe that the angels that fell from heaven are space aliens that appear in ufos. There are those that believe that Sung young moon is the lord of the second advent. There are those that see the bible as condemning all homosexual relationships. There are those that see the celebate lifestyle as being the ultimate expression of boundless love. Some see anglo-isrealism. Some see spiritualism in the prophets.




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