Posted by: phishhead ®
10/20/2002, 04:17:08
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I was in your shoes once before I finally left the church all together. You are a rare breed. I doubt you will find a man who feels the same way, but they're out there. Have you been to any Sunstone conferences? That is where a lot of thinking, questioning Mormons get together every year, although most of the attendees are older people. Also, I bet there are a lot of "closet doubters" on campus, you just have to go out with a lot of guys and ask the right questions to find them. Most BYU students probably won't admit right out that they have doubts... hope this helps.-phishhead p.s. If you ever do leave the church, you should join the yahoo group Ex-Mormon_singles
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Posted by: RC ®
10/20/2002, 11:51:20
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I think phishead had a good idea about the Sunstone conference. However, I would suggest looking among ex-Mormon's anyway (like the yahoo group that he mentioned). Like he said, there are undoubtedly some young men out there that are still members of the church that don't really believe everything (I know one if your really interested, but he's in Wisconsin. He's my brother in law.) but they are probably few and far between.I think an ex-Mormon would be understanding and supportive of your situation. Along with his understanding, he's likely to share the same values you have (not all ex-Mormons, but many). However, I'm by no means an expert. I left the church while married and had the support of my wife. I wish you the best of luck. Finding a spouse is hard enough, finding one that is somewhere between a Mormon and a non-Mormon is going to be near impossible. (And if you're interested in my brother-in-law, let me know.)
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Posted by: FirstClash ®
10/21/2002, 23:35:33
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Try being married in the temple and realizing that not only is the Church not true, but there is no God. You see, you are only at the start of a long road to truth. As you question Mormonism, you'll come to the conclusion that not only is it false, but if you continue on the path... question the Bible too. Try to understand the way people thought during the time that it was written and compare it with the historical evidence of the earth... You'll come to understand that the Bible was written by people who tried to understand the world in which they lived, but had no real clue about how to understand it.
You'll find that the Bible is covered with the idea that if something bad happened then the people were bad. That bad things happen to people who don't do what God wants. But that just isn't true. Bad things happen. Good things happen. But there isn't some supreme intellegence driving it all. The weather doesn't care what you did yesterday. A shift in the earths crust isn't controlled by whether or not a nation is keeping commandments. It's all hocus-pocus and superstition. People are just afraid of the unknown and so they come up with explainations that however ludicrous they might be, are easily accepted by others who feel they need explainations for the "unexplainable". Why did this happen to these people? Why did this happen to me? The answer, is a lot more simple than God decided they were bad or that you were bad. I know the answer, but I'll let you figure it out for yourself. Otherwise, you won't appreciate the truth as much as I do.
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Posted by: RC ®
10/22/2002, 03:52:50
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Sorry, I don't know you and I don't mean to be mean, but how was your post supposed to help? First, how do you know you are right? And second, how is telling someone that they have a lot to learn and that they aren't as far advanced as you are help them when they are struggling with finding someone that cares about them and understands their situation? Please don't take what I am going to say out of context, but I think you might just be falling into the same trap that most believing Mormons fall into, namely the "I'm right and you're wrong" trap. You can't prove that God doesn't exist anymore than she (the original poster) can prove that he does exist. You have no more evidence than she does. I would hope that by going through the experience of leaving Mormonism you would have learned to respect other people's beliefs. From your post, it doesn't seem like you do. Maybe you do and I misread your post. If so, I'm sorry and I'll say that up front. Nevertheless, what I think the original poster is looking for is support and advice, not criticism.
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Posted by: Ramona ®
10/22/2002, 06:15:32
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Umm, sounds like you don't get out much FC.I hate to break this to you, but there is more than one answer to the question on God. You don't seem to "know" that. If your answer works for you, so be it. Hell, I've seen two agnostics fighting over agnosticism... But, the question referred to dating. The only advice I can offer is to find hobbies and events that truly interest you. You will find people there who are more interested in you, than in your faith.
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